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Discussion: Eldar / Re: New codex 8th ed incoming... share the gossip
« Last post by mcphro on Today at 01:23:20 PM »
Just watched the warhammer community twitch where they went through the book....

Can't remember half the changes.... but some major points.
1. Points drop across the board... dire avengers 12pts... scouts 12pts
2. Avatar basically cant be killed
3. Falcons dropped 50 points
4. Dark reapers dropped in points and are amazing so they say
5. A lot of people will choose altioc
6. Ynaari armies... lose any craft world special abilities... but that's ok because of the drop in points across the board. 
7 Phoenix lords now buff their aspects like they should. 
8. Banshees can pull off a 15 inc charge by rolling a 10
9. Warlocks powers pretty good.
10. So many flexible deployment options
11. Warp spiders can now wassup in 9'' away
12. Swooping hawks now excellent stand out unit.  Assault 4 weapons now plus usual tricks
13. Strategems allowing special deployment on 1 unit as in web way assault... e.g place a unit like wrath guard 9'' away on deployment
14. They were pretty keen to give the advice... you are after lots of command dice here.  Brigade style formations.
15. Warlocks conclusive with 7 warlocks do d6 wounds with smite
16. night spinners cheaper now
17. Autarch can refund comnand points on 6s
18. Went through farseer powers... elastic storm want there. Mind war... executioner was
19. All troops bar guardians like 60 points.
20. I thought i heard they say a lot of aspects under 100 points?
21. Codex was over costed... look like most units are cheaper now. Some quite dramatically
22. Fire prisms are amazing double shot of moved less then half movement
23. War walkers can now outflank
24. Did i say things got cheaper.
25. Brigade unit can be made for 1100 points.
Was made up off 2 warlocks 3 ranges 3 dire avengers 3 swooping hawk 3 dark reapers 3 striking scorpions. I think before that would have been 1600 pointsish...
26. Eldrad the same but had access to more powers
27. Shuriken and scatter lasers cheaper across the board


Look i can't say how excited i am to hear all of this.  I now cant wait to get my hands on the codex... wow huh!
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General Discussion / Re: Why Death Guard For 8th Edition?
« Last post by PepeTykki on Today at 08:23:34 AM »
Russ would make sence. It would be a responce to Magnus and it would make sence when we have Guilliman vs Mortarion, that we would have Russ vs Magnus. It would be fluffy.
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Discussion: THE LIST / Re: World Eaters 1850 tournament list
« Last post by Sensenbob on October 19, 2017, 04:17:38 AM »
The only units that small arms fire is effective against are your Berserkers, so i'd expect them to eat most of your Opponent's small Arms fire, while the big guys are focussed by Multiple Dmg weapons.
Putting the Zerkers into Rhinos would make them as resilient as the rest of the list , so your army is basically really hard to wound with any small arms.
Might be hard to find the points though!
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Discussion: THE LIST / Re: World Eaters 1850 tournament list
« Last post by minavonlustern on October 18, 2017, 09:41:37 PM »
sort of. this army has redundancy and multiple threats. the LOS and helbrutes should pull fire, but if they don't then those things will reach the enemy untouched. so the enemy is faced with a choice. and there is multiples of everything so something should reach the enemy lines.
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Discussion: THE LIST / Re: World Eaters 1850 tournament list
« Last post by Draco765 on October 18, 2017, 08:56:45 PM »
The berserkers are open to being obliterated before they get anywhere.

Armor of 3+ does not last very long in the current edition.

They need rhino or another way of getting in close before charging in.
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Discussion: Eldar / Re: New codex 8th ed incoming... share the gossip
« Last post by mcphro on October 18, 2017, 05:45:08 PM »
Ok Beil Tan is out, let see what we got!

Craftworld Attribute:
- Leadership +1
- Reroll hits of 1 for all shuriken weaponry

Thoughts: No longer need an Autarch for the reroll 1's although you may want him to retrieve the command point (but thats if you made him the army commander and with the avatar, you just might want him to be your army commander).

I also think the intention here is to overload a Beil Tan army as the main weapon on all units where possible to take advantage of the reroll rule.

They have confirmed that Dire Avengers will be cheaper. I wonder by how much?

I think a (not so new) new strategy here is 2 fold:
1. Did you notice all the strategems were EXPENSIVE - 2 or 3 CP
2. Load out on Battalions if you can get cheap troops. even if you have to buy a warlock and 3 new cheaper Dire Avenger units a) you get 9 dire avenger units) B) you'll get 12 command points. Then you can access those expensive strategems

The Avatar
- He basically has Celestine's type resurrection which is pretty good as long as you keep 3 CP up your sleeve. Combine that with his 5+ Inv save vs everything inc mortal wounds and be joined by other units in the assault and he could be quite resilient. Something to try out and see the impact.

Court of the young king
- I'm disappointed it isnt a unit, but not surprised that made it a strategem
- But why would you burn command points when the Avatars 'normal rule says units within 12" can reroll charges. I suppose its to ensure they have a better chance of getting in close combat. I would have the Avatar surrounded by 3 wave serpents maybe that all move together - A) so the avatar can be targetted as a character B) the CC units travelling with the avatar are being protected by the wave serpents. they all get out and charge perhaps.

But we used to be kings of shooting, now we are trying to get into close combat with T3 units? It can work well, perhaps banshees?
- so hoping eldar units are a bit cheaper.

Something just released if you want to see Samm-Han and Altoitic... salt always required but could be true..
http://natfka.blogspot.com.au/2017/10/eldar-rules-image-for-5-craftworlds.html

Samm-han
- Penalty removed for moving and firing with heavy weapons
- reroll failed charges (nothing better than a 3 man jetbike unit tieing up a 160 point tank)

Altoitic
- Enemies subtract 1 from hit rolls if they are more than 12" away. Instantly makes all enemy units -1 BS really.





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Discussion: Adeptus Mechanicus / Re: Rangers vs Vanguard (8th Edition)
« Last post by NoMoshing on October 18, 2017, 01:17:18 PM »
I don't know if that would work for me (I'm planning a strategy based around the Stygies VIII abilities and strategems), but what transports would allow you to transport anything with an Imperium keyword?
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Discussion: Chaos Space Marines / Death Guard Codex Review - Troops
« Last post by Rob40k on October 18, 2017, 12:40:39 PM »
Good afternoon all!

Today, I look at the troops section of the Death Guard Codex!

I hope you enjoy:

https://youtu.be/YQ3R84UtO3E
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Discussion: THE LIST / World Eaters 1850 tournament list
« Last post by minavonlustern on October 18, 2017, 11:53:50 AM »
World Eaters Battalion
Daemon Prince - Wings, Axe, Warp Bolter, Relic - Talisman of Burning Blood, Warlord Trait - Unholy Fortitude
Daemon Prince - Wings, Axe, Warp Bolter

8 Berserkers - Chainaxes & Chainswords, 2 Plasma Pistols, Icon, Champion - Powerfist & Chainsword
8 Berserkers - Chainaxes & Chainswords, 2 Plasma Pistols, Icon, Champion - Powerfist & Chainsword
8 Berserkers - Chainaxes & Chainswords, 2 Plasma Pistols, Icon, Champion - Powerfist & Chainsword

Helbrute - Helbrute Fist & Power Scourge, Combi-Bolter
Helbrute - Helbrute Fist & Power Scourge, Combi-Bolter

World Eaters Auxiliary Super-Heavy
Lord of Skulls - Hades Gatling Cannon, Gorestorm Cannon

so, the basic plan is to charge with everything. but, the big stuff is there to support the berserkers and add some oomph. the LOS is a giant distraction carnifex and is surprisingly effective. the DP with the talisman can advance and charge and re-roll charges. now, i originally had this as 3 squads of 10 berserkers with the cheapest guns on the LOS but i thought i might try the standard but more expensive guns. 12 S8 shots is hard to pass up. any thoughts?
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Discussion: Eldar / Re: New codex 8th ed incoming... share the gossip
« Last post by mcphro on October 18, 2017, 02:58:20 AM »
Yeaaaaa i didn't get first turn.....  he blew me away
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