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A ton of meh units.
« on: August 29, 2017, 11:14:01 AM »
I find these units kind of hard to fit into a list and expect to do super well on the table top that the much better units in the codex can't just do on their own.

Ministorum priests and jacobus both got shafted this edition in my opinion. zealot and war hymns both came out kind of terrible, to be fair they were pretty godly in 7th in many cases but with the removal of fearless it isn't worth it. Encase you don't know Zealot is reroll to hits if the model with the roll charged or was charged not any units next to them or anything just them. War hymn is slightly better but still only a shadow of its former self, giving Adeptus Ministorm and Astra Militarum infantry with in  6" 1 to their attack characteristic.

And Jacobus's banner only gives +1 to their leadership, which would usually only save an extra model here or their not enough to justify 100+ points on a sub-par HQ when Saint Celestine is basically a mandatory choice. Which he sadly can't compete for at all, even the Cannoness is more useful than both him and the normal priest in a lot of situations.

A lot of the Adeptus Ministorum units aren't really worth it either as a whole in helping out the sisters part of it anyway besides like maybe a assault based army. But that isn't my favorite kind of play style for an army.

Repentia to me just kind of seem all around bad, a squad of 3 costs you 117 points for kind of no reason. They only have the 6++ invulnerable and no longer access to feel know pain doesn't even make them that good. They have less attacks than in 7th edition, the evisorator is still OK but really kills them in points and the squad will most likely hardly ever make their points back. You can maybe put them in a rhino but now the 3 models are costing you 192 points, but hey you aren't taking a big squad what about the much better immolator even if it is slightly more. Well it is the better option for transporting them but it will cost a little bit more than 200 points, and if you start to fill up either of this transports it will end up costing you close to 300 or more points depending on what you put in. This is kind of the issue I had with these guys in 7th was just the ammount of points you sink into them to try and get them to work by throwing a squad into a land raider but it seems so point ineffective.

The rhino sadly doesn't really compare to well against either the Immolator or the Repessor, the Repressor being the better of the three but possibly going to be axed because the mold is unfixable. That is a topic for another day and for most likely more informed people. The rhino doesn't have many advantages at all besides self repair and the ability to transport 10 models. It can thankfully hold two 5 man squads in side of it but i feel that makes it a bigger target than it needs to be. The lack of firing points really hurts the rhino, the much better guns on the immolator make it way better for doing something when still trying to get into position.

Pretty much every elite in our army is kind of not worth it at all besides Imagifier for the 4+ free act of faith for a unit within 6". Nothing really is able to take that slot from me at least with my current list which uses a banner to pair with a heavy bolter squad of Retributers for the possible hundreds of shots throughout the game.

Exorcists price increase has made it a hard choice for putting in lists 1500 or less, the random damage of the missiles leaves a little to be desired and will rarely one shot Vehicles like in 7th. The point increase doesn't help to much from 125 to 160 making it barely cheaper than 2 Retributer teams with heavy bolters which can be great anti infantry weapon platforms and deal a surprising amount of wounds to vehicles that can be easily picked off by combi plasma/melta. They could have been worth it if they could still benefit from act of faith from Celestine and Imagifiars but sadly that was one of the first things faq'd, making it a weaker choice in many situations.


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Re: A ton of meh units.
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2017, 02:15:14 PM »
It seems I made a slight error with Repentia and shall be revisiting that unit, what I failed to realize is that they aren't using Eviscerators but Penitent Eviscerators which for them are free. Making them a better option at 17 points a model rather than my believed 39 points a model. Place holder words until I have the time to relook at the unit.

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Re: A ton of meh units.
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2017, 09:11:37 PM »
Yea units are quite situational. Repentia I think are a reactionary unit. If you go searching for the enemy to charge them then you might have issues. You have 10 sitting in a rhino in your lines and even deep striking terminators are going to think twice before getting too close in their deep striking.

Repentia get out 3", move 6" Charge = quite a large threat bubble. And since you can have 3 x 3 girl units and a mistress, you get 3 chances to roll a successful charge.

Saying that, I find it is much better to put the points into soemthing better. Would u rather a unti of repentia in a rhino or an Excorsits tank? see the problem?

I think my SOB lists wont chnage much at all. In 2000 points - 2 Excorists, 3 Retributer squads with Heavy bolters, 3 imaginfier. Celestine, a seraphim squad and immolators and some troops pretty much.

I also think im much more likely to try to mix armies now.

Celestine, the retributers, seraphim squad etc on e one side, Grey knights 2 grand maasters and 3 troops squads. Tactic - Grey knights are you Teleporting in to cut the head off the snake, supported by Celestine and the long range firepower of the Sisters of battle.

I do like the idea one day of a full Sisters hand to hand with repentia and Pentinent engines backed up by celestine. I think that would be cool. Backs up by some imperial assassins and a couple of grandmasters in Dreadknight armour and youve got a situation where they cant focus on your hand to hand force charging them because there is other things in their faces.

my 2 cent ramble...