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Discussion: 40K Rumors / Re: Notes from the 40k 8th Edition Stream
« on: April 25, 2017, 05:43:24 AM »
A local player is working to max out his Astra Militarum Lasgun only army since it can destroy everything.

General Discussion / Re: 8th Ed. Are you ready?
« on: April 15, 2017, 08:24:21 AM »
I think my Necrons  will be fine to change over.

But my Forgeworld model that I just got (kharybdis assault claw) to run the Fist of Khorne formation might not make the transition very well.

40K Rules Questions / Re: Dreadnoughts and overwatch
« on: April 11, 2017, 09:18:58 PM »
As a walker, it is able to fire it's weapons on overwatch. There are some situations that cause them not to, the rule book goes into good detail on that under the Vehicle - Walker section.

Discussion: 40K Rumors / Re: (Potential) Changes to the Assault Phase
« on: April 09, 2017, 03:31:08 PM »
Necron assault units also like the idea.

Harlequins do not.

It will all come down to how far different units are able to travel in a turn, factoring in possible transport changes etc.

The rumors that have been leaked are being looked at in the light of current rule sets, when for all we know, the current rules just won't apply anymore.

Discussion: THE LIST / Chaos/Necrons gone crazy
« on: April 05, 2017, 05:50:01 AM »
So after getting 2nd at a local ITC event with a wild and crazy list (Fist of Khorne, Gorepack, Destroyer cult(necron) I have dived deeper into the Chaos to make this list.

This month the ITC even will be focused on Mission 4,5,6 which are heavy on the Objectives, thus Objective secured will be more valuable.

CAD (Necrons)

+ HQ +
Illuminor Szeras

+ Troops +
10x Necron Warrior (Ghost Ark)
10x Necron Warrior (Ghost Ark)
10x Necron Warrior

CAD (Chaos Khorne Daemonkin)

+ HQ +
Chaos Lord: Axe of Khorne, Bolt Pistol, Juggernaut of Khorne, Melta Bombs, Power Armour, Sigil of Corruption

+ Troops +
8x Bloodletters
9x Chaos Cultists, 1x Flamer
Cultist Champion

+ Fast Attack +
Chaos Rhino
20x Flesh Hounds

Formation Detachment (Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012))

Cyclopia Cabal
Sorcerer: 2x Additional Mastery Level, Bike, Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, Melta bombs, Power Armour, Spell familiar, Veterans of the Long War
Sorcerer: 2x Additional Mastery Level, Bike, Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, Melta bombs, Power Armour, Spell familiar, Veterans of the Long War
Sorcerer: 2x Additional Mastery Level, Bike, Bolt Pistol, Force Axe, Melta bombs, Power Armour, Spell familiar, Veterans of the Long War

The trimmed down Necron CAD is a resilient, slightly mobile force that can grab and hold objectives out in the center zone, maybe even get into enemy territory and steal those. Illuminor can buff the foot troops and gives them +1 RP.

The KDK CAD gives me the Chaos Lord and the Fleshhounds that will be running with the three Sorcerers forming the Death Star which can face off against most units in melee combat with their massive number of wounds, attacks and Meltabombs. Plus the Psychic power the Cabal brings will be able to abuse the high number of non-vehicles grav-spam that is normally played in my area.

Cultists go into the rhino for some mobile back field objective grabbing, they are just cruising around in their tin can.

Bloodletters deepstrike in late game for Linebreaker or to grab an objective somewhere in an odd part of the table.

You still have to be able to do a legal charge.

The limit on not being able to charge after disembarking from a non-assault vehicle is still in effect. Same as if they are Pinned or Falling Back.

Last weekend had a guy at a local event that was using just a bare minimum amount of CWE trying to abuse the Soulburst effect.

I think it was:
Farseer on a jetbike.
Two units of 3 jetbikes
Wraithknight (two guns)

The rest of his army was some imperials in tanks drop pods, one with ignore cover Grav, the other with melta guys inside.

First game highlight: His Farseer periled on casting the twin linked effect on his Wraithknight, the farseer then died, triggering his Wraithknight to shoot in the psychic phase, then again in the normal shooting phase.

40K Rules Questions / Re: Two unique characters
« on: March 09, 2017, 06:32:45 AM »
The "Unique" only factors in when you are building your list.

40K Rules Questions / Re: Tau markerlights and overwatch
« on: March 07, 2017, 05:26:18 AM »
It is one of the uses of the Tau ability to do multiple overwatch.

Enemy Unit charges Unit1.

Unit1 snapshoots their Markerlights.
Nearby Unit2 then uses any Markerlights that hit to get better shots off.

Yes, and THB, it doesnt make sense as how is a exploded transport "unit destroyed within 6" different to say a vehicle wrecked, or, an infantry unit destroyed within 6".

But RAW, thats the FAQ, thats what sticks isnt it. Lets hope they dont explode your transports.

It is all about the timing of when the transport is actually considered destroyed.

When it is a wreck, the transport stays on the table while the occupants disembark then the transport is considered destroyed. The occupants are now on the table to have the Soulburst effect trigger.

When it is an explode result, the transport is considered destroyed and removed from the table and then you place the occupants in that same location. The occupants are on the table now, but the Soulburst effect triggered before they were on the table. A different near by unit could have the effect apply to them though.

So I'm working on a list and would appreciate any advice and Feedback that you guys are willing to give.  Remember that I have not participated in a single battle of Warhammer or 40k yet.  So I am still not 100% sure of the rules or anything else.  I am still early in the learning phase, but feel I need to nail down a list so that I can get them built and painted to start playing.  So here it is....

Khorne Daemonkin Blood Host Detachment: (1849)

Lord of Slaughter-(275)
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage

Chaos Lord/Juggernaut,Blood-forged Armor, Kor'lath Axe of Ruin, Sigil of Corruption
1 unit of Berzerkers/Chainaxe(x5) in Chaos Rhino
1 unit of Chaos Space Marines
1 unit of Possessed
2 units of Chaos Spawn
2 units of Chaos Cultists

Charnel Cohort-(555)
2 units of Bloodletters
1 unit of Fleshhounds
1 unit of Bloodcrushers
1 unit of Skull Cannon

2 units of Chaos Bikers/2 Meltaguns each = 192
1 unit of Fleshhounds = 80

My thought process with this is to have the minimum sized units so as to possibly generate more Blood Tithe points as the units drop.  As I stated in the initial post I want to focus on the Assault phase.  So my Slaughtercult focuses on that.  My hounds and Bloodcrushers combined with the 'zerkers in the Rhino give me a bit of speed to get in there.  The Skull Cannon with its 36" range could go towards the middle of the battlefield and give ranged support where needed.  I am thinking of using the Bikers as mobile ranged support/objective grabbers, that's why I took the Meltas... since they don't appear to be strong in the assault they can scoot around the battlefield doing what they need to do/be a distraction by plinking away at vehicles.

I could be totally wrong and really off base here.  And if so, I would appreciate someone telling me so.  But I hope not.  I hope at least part of what I am thinking here is feasible.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice.

Looks pretty good. The first thing I can say is that your Chaos Lord has too many Artifacts. Each model can only have one artifact and each artifact can only be used once per army, thus you can not have both the Blood Forged armor and the Kor'lath.

If you keep the Armor, just go with the Axe of Khorne, has the same combat stats, just does not turn him into a 'thirster when killed. If you keep the Kor'lath, add a Power Fist to him. This gives him an optional St8 Ap2 at initiative 1, that can be used against higher toughness models or even help destroy a vehicle as needed. You also gain one attack in melee no matter which weapon profile you use (5 base attacks + 2 on the charge). Kor'lath + the basic pistol does not give you the extra pistol attack due to the Specialist Weapon rule on Kor'lath.

Then always remember that anything that exits the Rhino will not be able to charge the next assault phase because it is not an Assault Vehicle. Even if your opponent destroys it on their turn, your Berzerkers will be stuck out of combat for at least one turn.

And finally when it comes down to it more fleshhounds in the Gorepack is always good. Splitting 20 hounds into different groups (4x5 or 2x10 or even 1x5 1x15) within that formation lets you form a wall in the center of the battle field when you Scout them forward.

40K Rules Questions / Re: Building damage and the uint in it
« on: February 23, 2017, 06:18:10 PM »
If the unit is on the Battlements, i.e. on the outside of the building, they do take the damage from the hit(s) from the cannon and if/when the building suffers "Total Collapse" or "Detonation!" the survivors from the Cannon Hits will then take damage from that as well.

If they are Occupying the building, i.e. inside, they only take the hits from a "Total Collapse" or "Detonation!" result.

General Discussion / Re: How do i fight Imperial Knights?
« on: February 21, 2017, 04:40:24 PM »
Depending on what they're equipped with, 2 - 3, with plenty extra troops as backup.

3 Knights are 975-1125 base, before upgrades. That does not leave much room for other troops.

Even so, lock them down with boys in melee, don't worry about destroying them, then use the rest of your army to score objectives. If you only play kill point games, time to switch to maelstrom or some other mission type.

General Discussion / Re: How do i fight Imperial Knights?
« on: February 20, 2017, 04:04:30 PM »
Melee with them is not that bad. Just make sure you are familiar with the Stomp and Destroyer weapon rules. They can be confusing and people are likely to be playing them wrong.

I have a local player that uses 2 Trukks per knight to get the boy squads close, then charge on different sides. With two units, the knight has to pick one of them to hit with the D-weapon and stomps. If they roll 3 stomps they might hit both units...

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