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Discussion: Battle Reports / Re: New era battle reports!
« Last post by steam on April 25, 2017, 10:43:20 AM »
Orks are in the jungle!?

I only recently bought the rulebook, but I bought it in the dark vengeance box. The rulebook was the only reason I bought it! Would they refund a bit of it?

Not sure, their customer service email is up there.  You could always ask them.  They might not refund the whole thing but they might give you vouchers equal to the value of the rule book itself.
I only recently bought the rulebook, but I bought it in the dark vengeance box. The rulebook was the only reason I bought it! Would they refund a bit of it?
Discussion: Eldar / Re: 8th Ed... Eldar nerf bat incoming? What say you...
« Last post by Morollan on April 25, 2017, 06:49:01 AM »
If units have been rigorously rebalanced as suggested then there are really only two options. Either Eldar have been nerfed or most other codexes have been buffed. A mixture of the two seems more likely though. Scatbikes, Warp Spiders and Wraithknights would seem to be the logical place to look at nerfs as these are the most egregious offenders in 7e.

I'd also prefer to see Guardians (and all variants thereof) reduced back down to WS/BS 3. There really is no logical reason for them to have the same WS/BS as Aspect Warriors!

D-weapons on infantry also needs a massive swing from the nerf bat, in fact I'd like to see ALL D-weapons nerfed outside of super-heavies and such like.

On the flipside, the Avatar and Wraithlords are in need of a significant boost to make them playable.

Sort out all that and I think the Eldar codex will still be in a good place without being blatantly overpowered.
Discussion: 40K Rumors / Re: (Potential) Changes to the Assault Phase
« Last post by mcphro on April 25, 2017, 06:06:30 AM »
Sisters of Battle really benifit from this...

Sisters  Repentia... Pentinent Engines... Maybe even celestines with a Priest with an eviscerator...

450 points gets you 3 x 10 man (woman) sisters repentia units (or 6 x 5 woman units). Using MSU unit idea, that many charging any army gives you a moment of pause!

Can they charge out a Rhino is my question!
Discussion: 40K Rumors / Re: Notes from the 40k 8th Edition Stream
« Last post by DeffBossGitKrusha on April 25, 2017, 05:59:57 AM »
Pulled this directly from Reddit and have done zero fact checking of my own because I'm more of a 'I hate everything until I see it in action myself' kind of person.  However, it is worth discussing and I'm curious what others think about what has been revealed.

For me, everything looks too AOSed for my tastes.  If I wanted to play AOS, I would be, and having 40k not that different to Fantasy is not a step forward in my opinion.  I liked that they were two different games with different mechanics and different ideas on how things worked built in separate directions.  A player could decide they liked one and not the other instead of playing what sounds like the same game with different skins.  There's a lot I don't like, like Lasguns wounding Land Raiders, but I recognize that is because I see a Land Raider as a 4 'wound' model and sixes happen, so I'm not seeing the big picture of what else is changing along with these basic ideas to balance it.  I'm expecting massive changes in the balance, but my little brain can't wrap around it. 

And as always, I'm worried about my specific armies.  Nids and Genestealer Cult look like they'll get hurt by this.  If Acolytes and Genestealers both strike first on the charge, why would I ever take a 17pt Genestealer with four Rending attacks on the charge when the 8pt Acolyte Hybrid does the same damage and the same attacks and the same attack step on the charge.  And the Carnifex losing BS after getting shot...  It already is nearly blind compared to the rest of the Nid army.  Or worse, a Tyrannofex, rolling 5s to hit with a S10 weapon...  But again, I'm no game designer and stuck in my old thinking, not new thinking.

What's raising flags or making you excited to see?

I've read these same kinds of concerns, I think we just have to wait to see how it shakes out. I doubt a Land Raider will have less than 10 wounds, and maybe even more than that. In the live stream they say stats are not caped at 10 any more. We also don't know if there is a game mechanic or ability to regenerate wounds.
For me, I think small arms fire may finish off a nearly dead vehicle as being the most likely thing to happen.  But as an Ork player ...I have nowhere to go but up.

As far as the unit choices, I don't really know yet but I'd expect some kind of recosting to happen and of course rules that reflect those units more. (They should be different enough to make it a choice between the two.(Should)) That's been my experience with AoS anyway, everything is an option. I'm looking forward to that.

I'm thinking close combat is going to be back in a big way in 8th.
Discussion: Eldar / 8th Ed... Eldar nerf bat incoming? What say you...
« Last post by mcphro on April 25, 2017, 05:59:48 AM »
Im not suggesting we will get nerfed, but lets face it, Ynaari are way powerful (so are tau btw), Eldar as a whole are powerful and at any tourney, any army should be able to be taken to the top. When you see the same 4 - 5 armies at the top and they are talking about rigourous rebalancing, something has to give.

EIther we will be kept the same but points go up, Our rules will get a chnage and a rebalance, or we get nerfed.

My one wish, I dont mind the nerf, they say units will be rebalanced .. great. But then make models cheaper (points wise).

In the 40K universe, assassins should be like 100-125pts points (for a model that can be one shotted)... they used to be!
But what do you think they should do to Eldar. I dont see Scatbikes going away, they are released like that in the box arnt they. But maybe 40 points each not 30?
Id like to see Wraithlords come way down in price. A full kitted out Wraithlord with 2 brightlances... should be no more than 140 points. Other wise they outstrip units like Falcons.

What say you... if you had to nerf Eldar, what do you see happening?

Discussion: 40K Rumors / Re: Notes from the 40k 8th Edition Stream
« Last post by Draco765 on April 25, 2017, 05:43:24 AM »
A local player is working to max out his Astra Militarum Lasgun only army since it can destroy everything.
An interesting new development if you're feeling a bit hard done by having recently just bought a codex.  Check this out:
Discussion: 40K Rumors / Re: Notes from the 40k 8th Edition Stream
« Last post by Sensenbob on April 25, 2017, 12:45:13 AM »
Removing both Templates and Vehicle type would remove a lot of the "careful placement" aspect of the game. The "everything can hurt everyone" thingy also worries me, since it just isn't very believable in 40k. (Damn, i'll have to remake the special HP-counter on my Knights base:( )

On the other hand, we'll have to wait and see how it plays in order to make an informed verdict, so no panic. I can't even imagine how assaults will play out now.

I'm really most excited about the new format of the rules and armies which i hope will firstly make a quite balanced new baseline for the game since all get released at the same time and also adapt to balancing issues or OP stuff quicker since the rules are not bound to a codex released some years ago but rather available freely in digital form.
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