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Offline Devoyify

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Gaming Problems: Advice Really Needed
« on: June 23, 2013, 05:20:43 PM »
Hey there guys. This is going to be a long post and I will be extremely grateful if you give me some guidance. I have been having trouble playing the hobby recently.  :-\ I used to regularly play at my "relatively" local games workshop. However, as of the past year and a half or so, the only boards they have had is two 4x4 gaming tables. At first I managed with this, but recently I have been heavily disliking it. You normally only get one game a day and it has very little tactical play. You can't counter castles or brute force armies. Mobility doesn't work on these boards. It is extremely boring, it's just roll dice and see what happens.

On the upside, there is a hobby center that sells products for Warmachine and Warhammer, as well as many other gaming system with 10% off. It has multiple, large boards and there are much fewer people (there are normally around 15 people for the two boards in GW, whereas in Wargamestore there are rarely more than 6 to 8).

Here is where I encounter my problem. To give you some more background, for the past 5 years or so I have been getting the train in and buying lunch pretty much every saturday. It costs me around £5 a day to visit GW. Two of my friends have similar issues, but they both get the bus. The other two live relatively near GW and walk.

I have been trying to persuade them to come to the new gaming center as I think it will be a much more enjoyable hobby for us. However, they are strongly against it (at least the two that walk to GW) and refuse to attend. They say they have dealt with the limited boards and don't consider the other hobby "Financially Viable". They say it is not smart to have 4 people pay for the train when it can only be me getting the train, even though two others get the bus in, so the half of our group pays to attend. However, this really annoys me, as I have been paying £5 a week for 5 years to have a good hobby experience and they say it is "not financially viable". When I stopped attending GW, they kept trying to persuade me to come back. I have, but to the 4x4 contended tables.

What infuriates me more is the fact that they dislike the concept of paying to use the gaming room (£50 for a year subscription, £30 for 6 months). I consider the cost negligible. However, every Tuesday evening they attend a club for £2.50. This totals over £100 a year and you get less time gaming there. The only reason they use it is because it is once again within 40 minutes walking distance. On the topic of costs, we normally pay around £5 to have lunch as we can't eat in GW, but you can in Wargamestore. This means the cost of transport and the subscription actually evens out if we bring lunch instead of buying it.

They say we can go to one of my friends house to play, but we have to wait for his parents to be out for the day. It also has to be a weekend because we have school/college/university. For instance, over the entire year. we are planning on going there once in July. I don't think this is viable either, as he lacks terrain and the space to play (we have to play on the floor if we go there, which also sucks).

The only issue I can see with good reason is the fact that they say they will miss chatting to the people at GW. I understand this, and so will I. But I still think we can visit considering once a month we attend a free club with two tables, which is near to GW so we can visit them on that day. Also, they live less than an hours walk away, so could chat pretty much whenever they wanted to anyway.

I really can't pay £5 to play in an overcrowded area with a lack of ventilation and on small, contested boards. However, my friend will not agree to attend the other store with me. I don't know what to do. If this keeps up, I may have to quit the hobby altogether, one which I heavily enjoy and have invested a lot of money and time into. Also, I don't want to stop gaming with my long term friends. This is really bothering me and I would like some help with his. Thanks for any input and I will be sure to keep you updated.


As another note, there is a third person who walks to GW and supports my idea as he dislikes gaming in GW too.
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Re: Gaming Problems: Advice Really Needed
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2013, 07:37:05 PM »
Similiar situation to what happened to me I also get the train to My local GW then they took out all of the boards except 1 4x4 so to say the least I simply stopped going as it always had beginners or children using it. I ended up taking a year out of the hobby because of it. So I looked around and found a gaming club and it is 1000% better than the GW. With more choice of games and tables etc. So I would say to you go to the other stores and at least the other friend will go with you, also playing in new places will make you more friend which means more people to game with and a bigger gaming circle and if your other two friends seem like they refuse to move from the local GW will simply miss out. That's my thoughts anyway hope it helps you.
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Re: Gaming Problems: Advice Really Needed
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2013, 02:44:59 AM »
You could try gathering up a few of your friends that would be willing to try it out and go with them for awhile. If the games end up being better, then word will get around to your other friends and they may come try it out as well.

The other option is to invest in some terrain and maybe a roll out flock mat and trying to find somewhere to play outside of a store. Clear a space out on the floor and set up the mat and you're good to go. this is what me and my friends do when our LGS is running another event or something and we want to play. My apartment is also fairly small, and we just push the furniture off to the side of the room while we play. It works well enough for us.

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Re: Gaming Problems: Advice Really Needed
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2013, 04:29:07 AM »
I can hear where you are coming from here, although I don't know I have a solution for you. Playing on a 4x4 board is ok for a while, but it just doesn't feel like a real game unless your at small points levels.

Good luck with this, I hope you find an answer

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Re: Gaming Problems: Advice Really Needed
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2013, 07:25:05 AM »
Thanks for the advice. I have managed to persuade at least two people to attend and am hoping to get a third. This is just a one off thing to try it out. I will keep you updated.  :)
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Re: Gaming Problems: Advice Really Needed
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2013, 07:42:31 AM »
Well done, I hope it goes well :)

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Re: Gaming Problems: Advice Really Needed
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2013, 09:56:53 AM »
Lots of issues here, but I guess the question is what are you going to do with the hobby?

I personally see nothing wrong with paying to play at a store or hobby club as long as the fee is reasonable- you are using their space, their tables, and they have to keep the light on and the place running with heat/AC, insurance, and a ton of other stuff.

True, it might be a bit hard for some, if you are in school or work part time, etc. but is it unreasonable to pay a bit to play?

I play at a local hobby shop and there is no fee for the tables and space, but it is kind of understood you will support the store by buying some models, paints, WD, and other hobby stuff there.

At the gaming club each member pays $3 a week to play, which covers our cost for buying/upkeep on tables, electricity and insurance.

For you if GW isn't cutting it and is killing your hobby then there are two options- move to a new venue if you can, or start a gaming club for the long term.

You can't force your friends to join you, but they shouldn't force you to stay either- maybe offer to meet half way- play twice at the GW store and then twice at the other hobby store?
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Re: Gaming Problems: Advice Really Needed
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2013, 09:21:38 PM »
Thanks for the advice. I have managed to persuade at least two people to attend and am hoping to get a third. This is just a one off thing to try it out. I will keep you updated.  :)
It seems like you've been able to persuade a few guys to at least try it. I concur with TheGreatJaboba that if you've got some friends who are willing to try something else or are suffering from the same problems as you that you should try gaming with them at this new store where you will probably make a few new gaming friends. The maybe like Fritz said go to the GW with your other friends every once in a while in order to keep up the friendship, maybe they'll come and join you and the others every once in while aswell.

One other advice that I could offer you, based on how old I think you and your friends are, comes from a similar experience from my past. There is no GW or gaming store where I live, the closest is a trainride away and it is a crowded GW with 1 small board. Not so great for gaming. When my friends and I were younger and still living with our parents we had some serious issues with finding tables aswell. However, since then we've all moved out (some have moved several times in the past few years) and currently there are two people who have the space for some serious battles.
So even if you continue having problems with finding a place to play at, it might be worth sticking with the hobby for a year or two more because it sounds like you and your friends are at an age where you might soon all be moving into new appartments/houses, one of which might be close enough and spacious enough for everybody to play at.


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Re: Gaming Problems: Advice Really Needed
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2013, 09:17:01 AM »
Fortunately for me, I have not suffered this type of situation as i have only just started playing tabletop wargaming.

I refuse to play at my "local" GW store which is a 1 hour drive away. They only have 2 tables, 2x2 so bloody small, only big enough to play patrol battles really.

The local gaming club i have found ( and recently joined the committee of) is only 10 minute drive, has 12 tables ( 6x4) huge amounts of terrain (enough to set up all 12 tables and have heaps left) plus has a cheap canteen for drinks and snacks.

The fees for this club are $80 per year for new members and $70 per year for renewing members. and they have a door fee of $4 per visit. The $70/$80 membership fee goes to paying rent/ bills, while the canteen virtually just pays for itself, and the $4 door fee pays for upkeep of terrain, purchasing of new codexs, rulebooks and the like.

I will always choose a gaming club over GW store. My advice would be forget about the GW store, go to the gaming club with your friends that have agreed to go with you. Occasionally go to the GW store to see your other friends.
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Re: Gaming Problems: Advice Really Needed
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2013, 04:51:43 PM »
After more discussion on the idea I have gotten to a really good point.  ;D Two of my friends that we hadn't spoken to in a while love nearby, another can get the bus as he has a bus pass, a third could come as he lives with his Dad every other week which is nearby and of the two that live in further away one is willing to try it. So hopefully it will go very well! Thanks for the help!
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Re: Gaming Problems: Advice Really Needed
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2013, 06:46:26 AM »
I would find new 'friends' or change hobbies. Maybe less gaming and more painting if 40k is a must in your life. I certainly do not recommend sinking money into a hobby that gives your little to no satisfaction, can only play with cheap friends, or creates financial hardships. Im thinking about getting into X wing myself. I paint more than play so that's my .02